NC, If B Scales were not around would CX have come after you like they did in ’99 (sign or be fired and you have two weeks to think about it)? Foolishly the B scales got caught up in it and that was a huge mistake. I know most signed within the first two days after that “Critical Mass” thingy, if it took that long.
Don’t think we need lower pay scales in the company for new joiners even if it does not affect me. We have a DEFO pay scale at this time, the company should adhere to it.
Same with this freighter stuff. They made their bed in 96 with the creation of ASL, now they want ASL in CX. Well they made that bed, so live with it. I particularly don’t want to fly the freighter on those Rostering practices. We may have a chance to change that if we all thought collectively, but what am I thinking?
Do you think it is wise to accept an 8% pay increase now for everything NR wants? I realize 8% of your salary and my salary is not even close. Would you do the same thing today that you did in ’94? I think I know that answer. Would you rather have better rostering and 2 more weeks leave? Look at the mess with rostering since ’94.
I do know how the vote is going to go and I ask myself why I even bother. First COS rejected, second COS is worse than the first, so the first one is voted in out of fear.
Our COS has been getting worse since I joined. The COS seems to change every couple of years and it is not for the better i.e. higher taxes on housing, lower medical, RP 01-04-07, etc. But I do get to request 5 days off in a row with 80 days notice, big win.
Seems the pilots at CX cannot see the forest for the trees and will vote for whatever is put in front of them. Sometimes not the first time, but what NR wants usually gets in. He should be at least a committee member, think there is one spot open for him. Man he knows how to play this group.
So the AOA wants new joiners in the AOA correct? How can you honestly tell a new joiner to come to the AOA and we will protect your interest, the AOA just recommended a pay cut for new joiners and they will have to stay at least another 4 years or more in the right seat. Hello New Joiner, I’m Mr. AOA. We just lowered your pay scale and you have to sit in the right seat longer, please join us, we will protect your future.
Your argument on bypass pay is a joke, CX is playing that one. Pilots are not assessed until the very end and may get a week of bypass pay if they are lucky. It is not a factor.
NC, I love this one “CX often state that they will grow faster if we had RA65”. Do you really believe them? Of course they are going to say that, they want to grow at our cost not theirs. They can source out training to Boeing, Alteon or other airlines. Mr. Boeing will supply training with these new 777-300ER’s and this is being looked into. Cheaper to have pilots after 55 on lower conditions and these retreads accept it.
Can’t say that I agree with your numbers, but I guess that is why I became a pilot.
GHE, you are correct if they come in at the bottom of the list. You have to ask yourself why does NR wants ASL on Veta? The reason why; the freighter agreement is now null and void, it will be deleted from your COS, so everyone will have to fly the freighter. It could make life very miserable for blokes sitting on bases that have freighter flights LHR, AMS, FRA, CDG, SFO, LAX, etc but then again it does not affect other pilots so it will be voted FOR. I don’t understand why pilots would want to vote for this but then again, it doesn’t affect me attitude arises.]
Now instead of doing LHR-HKG-LHR, you will now be PX’ing to CDG, overnight or operate to either Milan, Bombay, Delhi or some other port, overnight, fly to HKG and either hop back to the UK or fly direct OR LAX-SFO-ANC-overnight-ANC-DFW-ATL-overnight-ATL-YYZ-ANC- overnight- ANC-SFO-LAX. Next pairing may be the same or may get a LAX-HKG-overnight-HKG-ANC-overnight-ANC-SFO-LAX or whatever. We all know how creative crew scheduling/crew control can get when they are short.
Much rather do LHR-HKG-LHR or LAX-HKG-LAX but then again freighter flying is interesting flying so I am told.
5-O, if you were here in 99 to 01 you would have seen many pilots talk the talk at meeting but did not come close to walking the walk. Some talked but did the opposite when the numbers came down. I remember many aircraft taking to the sky with those very pilots who were under threat. Pilots that were under direct threat continued to do the job, not much solidarity there but it’s a nice thought.
The only thing that will keep changing here at CX is your COS. But only time will tell if I am correct and we should know in the next couple of months.