with respect to ATCO's and I deal with you ever day of my working life, I depend on you and like wise you depend on us to not f it up........but single spey has some very valid points that will erk you. Bottom line is no matter what side of the fence you are on, there will be occassions when stong calls are made on both sides to make it happen...courts of enquiries are there to facilitate when issues arise. HR leave it with the smart reply.