Squawk7777,. .. .But that is no reason to say that the Belgrano is OK. . .. .Personally, I think that they have an awfull lot to answer for, but the problem is that they have a heavy coat of armour and a serious amount of money to defend their legal position. . .. .I'm not saying that they are impregnable (sp?), but there is no one other than wannabies that really wants to take them on. Once passed the wannabies stage, it's in your interest to stop other comming up so as to speak. Plus, your employer financially protects your position such that you don't get too messed around.. .. .Then there are the MP's. I suspect that the general view of pilots is that they are well healed from the upper classes, and therefore do not need any assistance from them. Hmm... Plus, lets face it, in the scheme of things, the numbers are like my PC, tiny.. .. .Difficult one. Been tried many times before, but you see the problem.. .. .PS