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Old 14th Jul 2007, 06:08
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(remember the MD11 of a canadian airline that had smoke in the cabin and proceeded to dump fuel only to burn, lose control and crash ?, they followed the procedures).
Errr...? Swissair111 @ Halifax?

What if that day (or night) your fuel status wasn´t the ideal,
Define not ideal? If you're going to land think on low fuel, let ATC know prior to the approach. Also, hear out on the radio to paint a traffic situation picture on one's mind... If you're going to land without adequate fuel to do a missed approach from MAP and do it again, declare a mayday... If you're not comfortable with the fuel level (say less than 1 go around-redo approach and some holding fuel), call a PAN before you get into the situation, being in that situation should only be a result of either bad luck, or poor route familiarity or poor planning or any combination of such.
Have a look at http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=247102

I know if you´re under radar contact they´ll see you, but what if they can´t see someone else or what if they just don´t have time to divert everyone...besides, how are you going to proceed to the IAF, left turn? right turn?
Squawk the 76, keep identing if you want... take your time, ATC will clear people off.

what if there´s no radar, mountains all around...I believe ATC expects you to go to your alternate if you go completely lost comm and can´t see a thing, rather than trying a 2nd approach without radios...at least they know what you´ve filed and they´ll keep their eyes open.
Err... If your fuel status wasn't the ideal, I doubt you'd make your alternate, or it may not be the wise thing to do. You know the traffic situation and airport wx info of your destination prior to your comms failure, why go to a totally new airport where you don't have the same info (assuming total comms fail).
you got TCAS?
Now unless the airport's particular lost comms procedure is "do not proceed to land at this airport and divert"... you follow any lost comms procedure for the airport, and if not, for the region/country.
Even in a non-radar situation, a Lost Comms doesn't mean you can immediately land without clearance. Go-around, 7600 if you must... watch your TCAS, remember the other traffic, then redo the approach under lost comms.
If wx is deteriorating, if you're able to divert, then continue to land at destination, and if unable, divert. In this situation, it depends on the circumstances. If the storm is too near, it wouldn't be wise to continue the approach as if you do go around, you'll be in that wx... If you force the landing, and WX is moving in faster than you anticipated, you'll end up with a broken plane... safer and cheaper for everyone for you to hold or divert.... doesn't take a lost comms to make it different. A fuel situation does...*see above*

besides, how are you going to proceed to the IAF, left turn? right turn? what if there´s no radar, mountains all around.
Proceed to the IAF as published, if under MSA, I doubt there'll be a "no published procedure path on how to go to IAF".

It's a go-around unless you must land.. then land. *grin*

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