the thing is that everyone heard, from 'reliable sources' that they were getting more 767's. did that fall through, and how is this different? i'm in no way a sceptic, if i had that sort of money NW would be the first airline i'd buy. you can say what you like about the personal matters of V, but he does have a solid eye for business. I just sincerely think the industry in SA would be a better place without him.