I agree with what you say completely Rude C'man! I just heard the rumour from a crewman instructor on 60 sqn as I live near Shawbury. Also there's a guy on my RTS course who claims to only have passed the Crewman tests and be accepted. Anyway, i'm sure il find out when I start. The crewmen on the sqns do give a very different picture than the AFCO and OASC. Was definitely worth talking to them, as the glossy booklets appear to have missed out the numerous tours to sandy places!