pages and pages of waffle. The phrase is "not less than 160 to 4" the key is in the first two words. the "standard speeds " that people seem to advocate as missing europe wide are 210 initial (within x miles or iaf etc etc) 185 from 12 miles (intermediate) ,then the above phrase or similar. Look at Alicante and Manchester text and then come back and read this thread and yawn.
NB the speeds above are from a fuzzy ,memory but read the above two paltes and they are at different ends of europe and so close as to be as good a s standard. The wording is locality and langauge specific but the end result is the same.
What ever happened to enjoying flying instead of trying to out Knowledge each other all the effing time.