Hard Rider, if you have a CAA Frozen ATPL and don't get unfreeze it by the end of June next year, you lose your CAA ATPL ground exam credits, have to take these poxy JAA exams and become subject to JAR criteria. So yes you need an ATPL. I too need the night hours but am trying to make it a point of principle that I get my full ATPL on a Cessna 152, which I won't be able to do under JAR. Bastards.