Thylakoid, you got that right, "like in the old days", however they did teach us how to de-ice and cross the Atlantic.
Capt.CL, all joking aside, I think most will agree thing are getting better in the training dept. at EK. We have some really good instructors that want to teach and as we get more new blood from all over the world EK will move towards a 21st century type training enviorment.