If the best they can do is whinge on here then all it is is just that. Whinging.
People going onto a professional pilots forum to express an opinion at the current state of employment practices in a company doesn't really constitute to being labelled whinging. I think expressing an opinion or stating the very worrying facts of working life in FR would be a little closer to the mark.
This is a forum after all and it is open for discussions about many various aviation related subjects.
I think many people who work for FR have very valid problems with the way FR conducts itself with reference to its staff and how it conducts itself as a company. Companies have many responsibilities when they operate some of which are legal, social, moral and environmental. FR have not always acted in a responsible way to many of these values or responsibilities. That is why you will find many different groups of people who come onto PPRUNE to comment on FR and that can be employees, passengers, ATC or anyone else who wants to express their opinion.
I guess if you (i.e they) are FR Captains they have enough experience to go elsewhere so why not just do that.
You are making assumptions that I currently or ever have worked for FR or that I am a Captain even? This is an anonymous forum don't forget.
Why does an employee have to go elsewhere? There are probably hundreds of reasons of why certain employees might not want to leave. That is possibly why many employees in FR could be fighting for reasonable industry compared employment practices and T+C's. Some people in FR might have been there a bit more than a year or two and might have seen a rapid decline in their current T+C's over their employment in FR. They have every right to be a little peeved and to try and improve their own employment situation in FR.
If half as much effort was put into transferring to the yet unnamed mecca of T&C's we would all have a quieter life
I can not see why open and legal employment practices and industry standard T+C's can be seen as a "Mecca". I just don't get that at all. Mecca is a very real place and industry standard employee practices are a very real objective. It wouldn't be such a large and unbelievable step for FR pilots and employees to try and achieve.
I wrote a letter to MOL directly and he responded the next day
Well done!
I'm sure people will respect your tenacious pursuit of an objective or career. The thing is I don't think there will be much left of your professional career when MOL or FR management continue in a pursuit of your T+C's of employment. What was the point in all that effort to be left empty handed?
If I had flown 900 hours last year, it would have been near to the 90,000 that RYR advertise
What is the amount FR advertises for pilot’s gross pay? £90,000 or £100,000 or £130,000. I think it depends on the deal or base and as far as I was made aware there are many different deals in FR. The figure I used of £80,000 give or take a few thousand was quoted to me by a LTC in FR. That is not a large sum of money as a LTC flying 900hrs a year plus all the other training and checking responsibilities.
Lets face it, since brown got hold of them, most pensions aren't woth a jot
I'll be sure to let my accountant or financial advisor know of your expert financial opinion. I think he would have to disagree with you though as anyone else would who is receiving a well run and funded pension benefit.
The odd sandwich, a medical once a year etc, so what!
I think most people know it is not as blasé as what you portray. The lists of expenses on pilots in FR will be on a daily, monthly and yearly basis be considerably larger and more costly than you have alluded to.
I will ask why you would not try to understand and educate yourself to the reasons why so many long term employees are not happy with FR's attitude towards it's staff?
