Thanks Blue I sort of hoped that was the case but after working with the Z crew and all the associated problems they create you hit on a sore point and i would not have been surprised.
as an example of the Z crew prowess one night they asked us for 30nm all gates from 2230 local. when asked why the response was "we usually get a few start ups around this time". then asked have any requested start up approval yet, the response "no, but they might" at this stage we had holding from A100 to Fl 260.
