you should understand that in the last 20 to 30 yrs def secs have always been picked in the understanding that they are totally subservient to the treasuary.... met geoff personally once( a real eye opener )it was in an operational capacity and he didnt have a clue what was goin on till we told cas and then he ,sheepishly had to go and brief him , it was hilarious to see him in a tent eating ice cream and totally ignorant of the various metaphorical bombs dropping around him, that just about sums up most ill appointed ministerial ,uninformed, un educated ,and above all un safe def secs.