a friend of mine involved in a hire agency for executives did report to me some time ago out of interest.......an faaa exec. from ansett same person a director of the then newly set up flight force for ansett casuals ,the industrial relations dept., littigation and a conclusion of "step aside from one position or the other due to a conflict of interest"......all this from a google find so one would imagine that its not only public knowledge but also history correct casualvermin!!! or is it from this type of start that all the discussion is about? cheers gigs