GT3, Gonzo, LnL, 2 sheds, at the risk off sounding argumentative it still strikes me you are all saying 'spotters' are better than non-spotters, is that what you believe? And on the point off education can you give me an example off when this extra knowledge helped you out off an unusual situation? 2 sheds, are we to take it that we should all have an indepth knowledge off how the military work in order to do our jobs? LnL, finally at no point did I say non spotters are poorer controllers merely it did not make a difference, I don't think that is an arrogant viewpoint!