EK 346
REP DXB 0215 ARR JAKARTA 1325 Dxb TIME TOTAL FDP 11hrs 10 mins
MAX FDP 0215 start 10hrs 15mins
cannot use plus 30 min variation so need 3rd pilot.
So here is how it goes.
Total flight time DXB KUL 06 hrs 55mins 3rd pilot used for both rest periods.
Dep DXB 0315 P2 takes rest at 0330 for 3 hours P3 in RHS .
P2 returns 0630 P3 now in LHS and P1 takes rest 0635 for 3 hours until 0935 .
Scheduled on blocks time is 1010 DXB time allow 5 mins taxi in to stand. so land at 1005. So P1 now back in LHS at 0935, 5 mins before top descent. Not ideal considering briefings and gaining SA are now required SO probably briefing in the descent!!!!!
P3 now only deadheading for remainder of flight to JAKARTA.
Now then, applying the Extension IF and only if 3 hours rest can be properly given to the crew remember this has only to be planned!!! So roster is good enough!!There are TWO ways this can be done 1) is as long as the max FDP does not exceed 15 hours ,16 for cabin crew, rest can be taken on a SEAT and ONE THIRD of the total rest period can be used in this case 6 hours divided by 3 equals 2 hours.However heres the RULE OF THUMB method 2) Total block hours equals 9 hours divided by 9 equals 1 hour of extension. Which one of the two is the preferred method for the company!!!!! Beyond 15 hours up to 18hours 19 for Cabin crew as long as a bunk is provided one half of total rest taken can be used to extend FDP.
On return to DXB only 2 crew.
2 NIGHT jakarta.
Local Report 2100 not an issue you just fall into the up to 18 or over 30 hours rest category
Not acclimatized if 2 day JAKARTA MAX FDP is 12 hours and 15mins. Rostered FDP is 11hours 25 mins so in essence 2 night Jakarta you need to be 50 mins late leaving jakarta before discretion!!
However
3 NIGHT jakarta
You have had 3 local nights more than 2hour time zones so you are now
ACCLIMATIZED. So the normal ACC table A applies. Local time of report 2100 LOCAL so Max FDP is 11hours 15 mins but hang on rostered FDP is
11 hours and 25 mins. ANNEX 1 variation plus 30 mins to the rescue!! As long as a sector does not exceed 7 and half hours you can extend FDP by 30 mins. So now MAX FDP 11 hours 55 mins.
PROBLEM SOLVED!!!!
So in summary lets see where we stand.
EX DUBAI.
APPLY RULE OF THUMB. 9blockhrs /9 equals 1 hour extension that is 10 h 15 min plus 1 equals 11h15min. Planned FDP DXB CGK 11h 10 min so 5 mins late you are definately into discretion
but are you .
APPLY boxed calculation, 6 hours rest / 3 equals 2 hours extension!!! now your max FDP is 12 h 15 mins so now if you use this calculation you can leave up to 1 hr 5 mins before you are into discretion.
Now then which do you think the company would be using let me see
Now EX CGK
2 night not acclimatized less than 18 hrs more than 30 hrs rest
MAX FDP 12 hr 10mins ,rostered FDP 11 hrs 25 mins. So if you are late ex CGK by more than 50 mins you are into discretion.
3 night CGK acclimatized so MAX FDP 2100 rep is 11 hrs 15mins plus 30min variation is 11 hrs 45 mins. Rostered FDP 11 hrs 25 mins so you need to be late by 20 mins EX CGK before discretion.
Legally is the company covered YES.
Is it safe
well we all know the answer to that one!! JUST MAKE DAMN SURE THOSE DISCRETION REPORTS ARE PUT IN!!
in real life is this really going to happen you get airborne lets say 10 mins after push. It will be tight as a ducks arse or not possible at all with the seasonal tailwinds we have at the moment!! On average max 2hrs 45 mins is what you can squeeze out for rest!!
So if we do not have the required rest inflight of 3 hours should we be using the extension of flight time with 3rd crew. ABSOLUTELY NOT You are not legal to do so . Is Emirates aware of this, OF COURSE!! Then why the 3rd pilot, FOR SHOW!! and a helping hand BUT you are still not legal to apply extension if you do not get 3 hours!!
So what to do!! Well because we are an unrepresented pilot body not many people are going to stick thier necks out and get off the airplane in KUL. Remember this is now your only legal option to use discretion up to a max of 2 hrs on the first sector then up to 3 if you choose to go on as long as the captain and company submit a report to the GCAA i think within 10 days!!
So if you are MAN enough and decide no discretion for you today we are getting off in KUL
IF not get those pens out and make damn sure those discretion reports go in!! At this time of year it should be DAILY!!