Originally Posted by Five Green
stop giving commands out of seniority , especially to people 7 years junior to Cat'B and D'd FOs
Five Green, don't speak about seniority if you don't understand the concept. Obviously, you are either from England/Australia/NZ or you have been highly influenced by people from those places.
Let us consider the "giving" or "getting" of a command the decision by Cathay management to take the initial step in the process: the submission to the command selection panel of the candidate's name. This happens AUTOMATICALLY IN SENIORITY ORDER in the case of PASSENGER COMMANDS, but for FREIGHTER COMMANDS, ONLY A PILOT WHO HAS EXPRESSED A DESIRE TO HAVE HIS NAME SUBMITTED TO THE COMMAND SELECTION PANEL will be considered for freighter command. THESE SUBMISSIONS WILL BE MADE IN SENIORITY ORDER FROM THOSE WHO HAVE EXPRESSED A DESIRE FOR A FREIGHTER COMMAND.
To my knowledge, NO PILOT WHO HAS EXPRESSED A DESIRE FOR A FREIGHTER COMMAND HAS EVER [bold]NOT[/bold] BEEN CONSIDERED BY THE PANEL IN SENIORITY ORDER. The terms "Early Command" and "out of seniority" are bulls**t phrases used by wankers at Cathay who want to play one group against another, make themselves feel more important, or make someone feel "lucky" because he got something "earlier" than he should have.
To explain for you other morons (there are a LOT of you): for OUR intents and purposes (not taking into account the subjective nature of Cathay commands, CAT B/C/D, etc., because those are not the issues here), someone "getting" a freighter command because NO ONE SENIOR TO HIM HAS EXPRESSED A DESIRE FOR IT is NOT getting an "early" command, nor is he getting a command out of seniority. THAT IS HOW SENIORITY WORKS! IF YOU DON'T WANT IT, IT GOES TO SOMEONE JUNIOR TO YOU WHO DOES WANT IT.
Grow up and stop using these divisive terms. Nobody at UPS or FedEx goes around whining about how Jose got an "early" command on the 727. You get what you want unless someone senior to you wants it. THAT IS SENIORITY.
JJ