As far as mistakes of other companies go, the specific one I'm referring to has an army of legal advisors etc bigger even than NATS management, who all fall over themselves to get into line every time someone in the european parliament even whispers something, so I'm thinking they know what they can and can't do. As for ATC being unique, I think the task itself may be but the fact is we're simply another workforce and so pay will always tend to the demands of that work force. The market may be limited, but it still sets it's own price. See what's happening in the gulf and down under, the world may be big, but people are still happy to move to where the pay is.