guys i agree with both of you for different reasons. Paxagent, i admire your openmind and your positive outlook great example for new starters but we need to say to new starters that they need know the facts and all of us to fight for a better and more secure future.Yes you can make 1200 i ve made twice...but thats assuming that you ll be saving your s**t downroute in order to be able to keep something as destinations we fly are expensive and with the latest news that ba is trying to throw to us an 11 p to buy the whole breakfast scheme out...things will not be as nice. So lets be positive but at the same time acknowledge the problems as well and try to do something about it