Hey CB, . .. .Glad you didn't take offence at my comment.. .. .You would really have to call each provider and ask about the stats offered. . .. .At the company I work at when not heli flying, we offer basic stats thru the site's control panel, but most opt for either a stats program to read the server log files that we provide for $10 (Webtrnds) or they download the log files to use with a program capable of reading them of their choice.. .. .But as I had stated, if you can't find one that provides page hits like you are looking for, you can make your counter invisable. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />