No need to apology ErgoMonkey. You've posted an excellent and detailed message, without trying to compare anything !
Wave your flag as you wish, there's no problem with that. I'm sure that engineers and workers can be proud of their results. But, for
both aircraft...
And so, my problem was just on some particular points in what said Jackonicko... I consider it's settled now. I don't want to bother.
Maybe Jack has some memories of me being a bit agressive or something on other fora... But the more I learn individually on each type, the more I find them interesting. That's why I don't like direct comparison, as they always look filled of something wrong, subjective... Except if it's explicitely for fun.
Maybe Jack is right (and Rafale MMI are poor, a full generation behind Typhoon, the M88 is underpowered...), but I've yet to find an other source to clear these points.
And as Typhoon and Rafale are extremely new aircraft, such credible data are difficult if not impossible to find.
Only pilots who've flown both can really compare, but that's not even enough to get an good idea of the picture... (fighter pilots are humans after all !)
The interest of the whole topic has growned with the TLP, as the two aircraft could have met each other (though it still wouldn't have prove anything...). But it hasn't occured.
It is said that the MN Rafale M have met the Italian Typhoon this month ( the carrier "Charles de Gaulle" is going to Afg) ... I don't know anything more about that.
LowObservable,
But you brush on a real issue for Rafale
Yes, it's right. Nonetheless, it's heavily relying on the current government, you know... That's why Michèle Alliot-Marie has accepted to make things move a bit faster : she knows that if socialists (for example) come after, defense budgets will not be favoured. AdA and MN can thank her again for that !
Futur evolutions for 2012 are secured.
(except the engine...)
TMor, playing the role of the French chap...
Confirmed :
Italian Typhoon have trained against the French Navy Rafale M F1 :
Pour l'occasion, les Italiens ont engagé leur tout nouvel Eurofighter, l'avion de combat européen, réalisé en coopération avec la Grande-Bretagne, l'Allemagne et l'Espagne. Des exercices de combat aérien l'ont opposé aux Rafale Marine de la flottille 12 F, embarqués sur le Charles de Gaulle. Aussi redoutables l'un que l'autre, les deux chasseurs se sont donc mesurés au dessus de la Méditerranée, dans un combat fictif dont le résultat n'a pas été communiqué.
http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=103934
It was on the 15 and 16 of february. The results haven't been disclosed !
