Gushoneybun. Many thanks for that. When you re-read the Lasors it does say that but not in as plain a language as you have. In that case what if the operator has the A/C on their AOC and in their OPS manual as a SPA, but for pax reassurance puts two pilots up front. If they are both TR am I right in saying that only one at a time i.e. the PF can log the time?