Carnage - if it's come from multiple first hand sources and you're so adamnt about this, post their names on here.
I don't remember their names and even if I did I wouldn't post them on here. Willie has made these comments in front of a room of BA pilots on a command course, so there are mulitple witnesses for a start. He's also made the comment to management at Waterworld, and I do have a name for my source there but, again, am not going to publish it here. The comments were most certainly made.