Rainboe read my post.I was not referring to the pilots.All companies have had incidents with engineering,you only have to look at DC 10 "s having their engines fall off because of using a fork lift truck to save a few bob whilst in the hangar.There was even someone trying to fly a 1 11 not so long ago hanging out of the window at 17000 feet and 300 miles per hour with no windscreen because of a cock up with the screws not being tight according to this bloke in the pub.