Hiro Protagonist, The term 'incipient' means 'beginning to exist or appear'.
Uhhhhh, really??? Thanks!...
I was using the term "incipient VRS" as used in this and other threads to describe a state different than VRS.
Those who use the term incipient VRS say that few of us have ever experienced "real" vortex ring state, and they have and it was a whole 'nother beast than the mamby-pamby little demo's we do in flight training.