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Old 28th Jan 2007, 11:15
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Originally Posted by Mike Jenvey
<<<< But what kind of pilot is in the B400??? >>>>
<<<< "Having noticed that the Turkish plane ....>>>>
Now, if that was their first departure from a Moscow airport, & if you haven't been there yourself, here are a few difficulties you have to face:
Invariably, no SID is given to you, you have to work it out - even asking for confirmation often gets no useful response!
Low temperatures give excellent aircraft climb performance.
SID says max rate climb for noise purposes......
.....but with a low QFE (say 980 Mb to make the maths easy), when you chance to 1013.2, whoops, instant 1000+ ft altimeter climb.
SID/routeing/cleared altitude can sometimes be changed immediately on check-in with first airborne frequency, 4 items of critical information all at once (including next frequency change!).
Numerous frequency changes within very short time, often only 1500 - 3000 ft intervals at lower altitudes.
Language issues - some Moscow ATC transmissions aren't the clearest in the world sometimes, associated with phraseology perhaps unusual to some pilots - "Climb standard 2000m" = Climb FL 2000m.
So, it's all happened before in Moscow airspace, & I bet it will happen again on a regular basis!
Now, of course, at Thames Radar .........
NAil on head.
thats how quickly it happens. fly further east and you work in millimeters and limited english. See how easy it is to screw up when you dont have all the fancy gizmos that convert everything like a fully EFIS'd up aircraft

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