the problem sets in as follows: as an old fart you get checked/trained by new, young and eager farts who have never seen anything else but the outdated and a..covering sop's made up by older farts long gone. they know nothing else and so they have to stick to them religiously. try to deviate as described by airmen above, for the good of safer flight, and you will get hit. you try to explain and discuss, but the only thing you see are big, empty eyes where sopsopsopsop is written all over them. thats modern aviation in a lot of outfits nowadays. the old farts say so what, the new farts continue their religion and all will live happily ever after.