Survival of the fittest congrats to all...hope I never have to be a hero...not sure I'd be up to it..or fly an MD-11...guess it just proves there are some things you cant train for...it all comes down to airmanship...something falling by the wayside in the new scheme of pilot training being designed by the bean counters...and re-inforced by HR folks and their screening process' which place psychometric and chicken-!!!! testing procedures above good old-fashioned flying skills....call it the Chuck-Yeager syndrome...