Well well. What an exciting turn this thread has taken!
I would like to get behind everything YD has said firstly about this issue (not the personal stuff about others).
I would like to add however that superboy is very good at his job and is not the type to voice his discontent and bring others down or let it affect his proffesionalism on board or attitude to customers (well done SB).
My own personal feelings on these issues are this.... (if anyone's interested)
I voted YES for SFLGW because it was indeed a way forward for EFLGW which was in fairness a fleet that could not go down in morale any further. and of course I wanted an opportunity to do something different and the chance to go up the ladder and earn more money.
I put my faith in the unions that they would do their best and then live with the consequences.
Well... I for one was not totally happy with the package put together for SFLGW. Mostly the CM package (which more work than CSD and less money), and of course now we have all the wrangling with breakfast and the tipping etc etc.
I am of course a realist and knew that a crew member would be taken off and we'd lose a PSR maybe. But hey BA would probably get their way or the union would come to a compromise.
I still think we need a extra PSR of the 4 class, and I guess we'll see if that happens.
What really gets me now is this......(deep breath)
While all this SF negotiation was going on I never once saw a message from either union (particularly for LHR) saying how outrageous the SF proposal was and how everyone was going to go on strike then if it was passed and CSD was done away with and we lost a PSR etc etc etc.
Now....I'm no brain of Britain, or fortune teller. BUT ANY IDIOT COULD SEE THAT IF SFLGW WAS ALLOWED TO GO AHEAD AND OPPERATE 777 UNDER THE T&C'S WE DO NOW, THAT IT WOULD ONLY BE A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THEY TRY TO DO IT AT LHR!
I'm a little supprised they've attempted it this soon, but hey...it shows they mean business.
I'm also very sceptical of the fact that the fact that ONLY WHEN THE CSD RANK IS THREATENED AT LHR IS IT NOW AN ISSUE.
Again...any idiot could see that if you let it get dissolved at LGW then it will eventually happen at LHR. The rot will have already set in!!!
Retreating within fortress LHR is not going to save you as the management and accountants are living in there with you!!!!
SO.. now when the reps at LHR (all CSD's pretty much I think) realise that theri jobs are now up for grabs by the company the toys are out of the pram and STRIKE STRIKE is the call (and we're all supposed to join in).
I realise their are lots of other issues tagged onto this ballot as well, many just and with foundation.
However don't bleat on about losing the CSD rank or making it a working position or "just look at your SCM colleagues at LGW".
THEY LET IT HAPPEN. EFLGW could have been absorbed into the NSP years ago and none of this rubbish would be happening now...but no. The LHR unions didn't want it, so it didn't happen.
Now look what's happened. All that eliteism and xenophobia that was directed at EOG/EFLGW is now coming back to bite them in the arse. And it could have all been prevented.
Do I sound bitter? Good! I am when it comes to this subject. All this talk of we all have to rally to the war cry of STRIKE STRIKE and be one team/unit/community.
WE'RE NOT ONE COMMUNITY! There's LHR/ and what's left of WWLGW, and then there's everyone else.
By selling EOG/EFLGW/SFLGW down the river all these years and not allowing us into your precious NSP and allowing our T&C's to be dilluted down again and again, you've ended up selling your own down the river by giving the company a template (SFLGW) to bash you over the head with now at every negotiation by saying "Well they do it this way at LGW. We want to do it here at LHR. And why not? If they can do it, why can't you?"
If we'd all been one community we wouldn't be where we are now.
Make's my blood boil!