Wow - does anyone on this thread actually talk about fact? I'm guessing not because nobody actually knows naff all at the moment! Its just a bunch of moaning and whinging!
You say sod going onto the LHS of the Q400, for 6 grand more, 150hrs more a year and a base change. Well excuse me but unless you happen to have a job lined up in MAN on the LHS with Titan then who else can you move to which won't involve more flying hours per year than BACon work you? And if it was someone offering you an A320 job you would more than consider dragging wifey and baby across the UK for it. You want a lifestyle well lets remind ourselves who flies tours and nightstops and who doesn't and who promises you to be home every night unless you go tech down route!
Let's stick to fact. Many people on here have repeatedly pointed out how short of Captains Flybe is. People keep saying that anyone with 2500 hours total time will definitely be in line for LHS (provided they have a reasonable record), people repeatedly point out the new proposed payscales for LHS Q400 (£53,500 by 2008-09), which isn't exactly a bad offer.
I don't understand why everyone is putting a complete downer on something which isn't necessarily going to turn out that way. Let's face it there is nowhere else for most of you to go - recruitment is over for the winter unless you fancy paying £23000 to Easy or Ryanair for a base move, a reduced starting salary and a heck of a lot more flying per year than you do now. Most of you moved to your BACon bases when you joined them, esp the low houred guys, so now heres a chance to move back to where u want to actually be living. Here's a chance to get in the LHS without waiting another 3 years. Here's a chance to build more flying hours, get involved in training, earn more money, and hopefully if we all stick together and give BALPA our backing get a better/more reasonable scheduling agreement for everyone involved.
Oh by the way, did anyone tell you guys at BACon that our Q400 trainers are about to move onto jet salary plus increment? No? Well that is over £60,000!
By all means feel free to jump ship before even setting foot in Flybe, but we aren't bad people, your working day will generally be with a fun crew, but you know what if you don't drop the arrogance, moaning, complaining and whinning, you are going to make the atmosphere at Flybe unbearable and us lot already at Flybe don't want that.
And whilst you're moaning about hard bad your life is by having to move on to the most modern turboprop from a smaller, lighter weight, same speed, same range, more fuel burning, uneconomical jet, consider those of us at Flybe who are seeing our careers be delayed and go down the drain if the seniority lists get merged, and everything we were promised get given to people whose company we have rescued from closure. Let's not forget that every single F/O at Flybe is going to have to watch as our new colleagues join our company in the RHS of a small regional jet carrying less people around,and getting paid more for the priviledge of it. I think if anything, the Flybe pilots are the ones who are entitled to moan on this thread, I think it is us who is losing out a lot in the short term.
You want to merge seniority lists, well whilst you are working hard in the sim, retraining on the Q400, which undoubtedly you can't be bonded for because its a forced move by your employer, don't forget to say hi to your TRI/TRE who will now no doubt be more junior to you, whilst sacraficing a lot over the past few years to make Flybe what it is, for little reward and little lifestyle. They are only just getting what they deserve, so please tell us at Flybe why we should penalise ourselves and step aside and give you our place on our seniority list? Just because thats the only way you would consider joining our company? Well its been nice meeting you, best of luck with that CV. Just remind us who is looking for 145 pilots? Or for that matter who is still recruiting? Easy, Ryan, ... errrr ... GB is finished for the winter, BMed is finished for the winter, the charters are finished for the winer ... Emirates, Qatar, Gulf (but not so sure with a 145 or Q300 rating) ... Globespan .... Aer Arran maybe, Air SW maybe ... Eastern ... But yes you are right onwards and upwards it is for you. Oh there is that All Nippon Contract in Japan if you have a Dash 8 rating.
Get over it, you have a job at Xmas rather than a P45. Grow up, stop moaning and lets talk about facts and how the hell to make this work for eveyone involved! Let's wait and see what actually happens, as and when more details are released. Until then stop crying Wolf Wolf Wolf and wait and see whether its a Wolf or a Bunny Rabbit in the bushes.
Last edited by AlphaCharlie; 20th November 2006 at 08:56.