Originally Posted by
cpdude
What I did say is if the company and/or the AOA want to vote on a change of the contract then we should all vote on it and not 700 or so members. I trust you do understand the difference between voting and negotiating.
Perhaps CP dude you do not understand the difference between paying your fair share and getting a free ride. Those of us who are in the AOA have paid for the priviledge of voting on the issues. Those who are not do not have the right to vote on anything the company negotiates with the AOA. It is our subs that pay for the arrangement and therefore we get to vote and negotiate. If you are really concerned and want to vote THEN JOIN THE AOA. If not form your own group and see how you make out.
Originally Posted by
cpdude
Oh, citizens of countries don't have legal contracts for specified conditions with their governments but we all have a legal contract signed directly with this company. Too bad someone wasn’t willing to take that to court!
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Errr as in the M. G. case ? Not sure what you mean. Whatever you mean it takes funds to take the Co. to court. Guess where the funds come from....SUBS. So with no (or less than 100%) representation how much money is available to protect ALL CX pilots contracts ?
Originally Posted by
cpdude
Lastly, don't make it sound like it's so terrible just for those not in the AOA not to have a voice. It is just as much a hardship for those in the AOA as those out of the AOA that membership isn't 100%. All you have to do is look at the RP07 vote as an example. I would like something done to change that!
To change the way a vote turns out you need to educate people. You need to get involved. You need to go to meetings use the web site and motivate your friends. All of which is not happening even now at a time when there are some major changes coming down the pipe. If you want to analyse how the dynamics of a vote work you have to look a little deeper than you are currently looking. It is not a case of 700 people deciding for 2000+. It is also not the case that the minority of the AOA is deciding for the majority. Out of 900+ voting members we averaged 700+ on the vote. That means that 22% did not vote. Presumably these people are intelligent enough to know the percentages required to pass a vote and therefore (here is the big point of my rant) they decide what impact they want to have on the vote. I'll explain...to vote means that you are getting one vote for the issue you support (majority or minority) to abstain or to not vote means you lend power (or a vote) to the minority. This is because it now requires more votes to achieve the %50 of total OR the 65% of voting. That is not to say that abstaining is not a choice you should make, on the contrary an abstention means something, it means that you were on the fence, that you could go either way or that you were too confused or overwhelmed to decide. All of which are good indications for both the company and the AOA to move forward after the vote. To not vote tells us nothing, except that you were happy to leave the vote in the capable hands of the rest of the AOA body.
So to sum up. By not being in the AOA you say "I am happy for you to pay and support the structure by which you determine my contract, I do not want to be involved..". By being in the AOA and not voting you say "I am happy to support the minority vote".
So when you use words like "Majority" and "Minority" you have to take all of the above in to context.
Congrats if you read all this dribble
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