RoC -Spot On. BA will compail, and produce figures showing how they can'y afford to give us ANYTHING. I think the only way to reduce the excesses of Waterside is for the pilots to increase their portion of the costs, thereby forcing certain managers to scale back theirs. I'm fed up of tightening my belt and then seeing other departments on "jollys", management Xmas parties held in Stately homes, and crazy fancy dress promotions costing millions. I'm sorry, but I've had enough. So I gather have a large proportion of the pilots 'cos they've voted with their feet and moved off-shore, thereby awarding themselves a 20-25% pay-rise already. I think stormy waters lie ahead in the next year!!