A+C "I wouldn't sleep with one", pray tell us why not. I hear that you were once one yourself. Did you not fly with the Queen of Zantops' fleet? . He came out on his last tour of blighty and tried it on with many a Flight Engineer. Obviously those cuban heels did not turn ol John on? Think back and now can you remember those excessive rudder trims between your thighs! Sweet dreams A+C