Originally Posted by
Warlock2000
Divingdick
You can't fight your own battles?
Good advise, you're making a right prat of yourself!
And before you do again please remember that not everyone on these forums has English as a 1st language. Mine is and I made a spelling mistake - now there's a SERIOUS incident MATE. Did you get the gist of the message? Ah, maybe a lesson you could apply to your controlling.
Yawn....
No Maaate, I don't need anyone to help, that's what the hold is for
I asked for others to give their versions in the vain hope that you may get the point if it were plugged from several different sources, seemings how you don't listen to ATC's.
As one of the other posters said do you seriously think that we should use intuition rather than correct readbacks (ie I THINK I know he received and understood the message, but did he REALLY get the gist)?
This is the second or third time you have been asked this question but you seem totally incapable of answering it other than to abuse the person asking it.
The attitude you are displaying is one of "I am a Sky God, and the only one in the sky that knows what is what".
Sitting there in your comfortable aluminium cocoon, I really wonder if you have any idea of the maelstrom that is going on around you?
As ANSA said, we don't just sit there waiting with rapt attention for you to speak to us.
On one of our sectors in UAE we have to coordinate with Tehran, Muscat, Bahrain, UAE central, UAE East and Dubai Approach. Every level change, speed control assignment, time revision etc must be passed on.
That same guy handles the upper DESDI hold, all the climbing stuff out of Doha via the northern routes, all the departures thru PAPAR, all the overflying and landing stuff via ORSAR and AMOLI, all the stuff overflying MENSA, LALDO and GISMO.
At the same time he is identifying traffic from Tehran's FIR (that's why we want squawk and level passing) passing clearances (which require readbacks) and doing all the other sequencing, monitoring and separating stuff that we get paid for.
Now with that tiny grain of awareness now firmly in your mind, ask yourself, do we want to hear a readback so that we can get on with the next task in the job queue, or do we want to go back to you to get a REQUIRED readback which wastes our very valuable thinking time, and bumps something else that really needs to be attended to?
Another question I have is just where would YOU like the line drawn with non-compliance? YOU have English as a first language, many of the pilots out there do not. Just because someone has a different accent do we require them to readback correctly? What about when you are not flying in home airspace? Do you then comply with other FIRs different interpretations? Imagine the chaos if that were the case.
Standard phraseology is there just to stop this kind of thing, we all play from the same page, no mistakes, no misunderstandings.
Oooh I know, lets not use UTC, lets use local time...that should help...the argument is the same.
If you are a troll, well done, you have certainly got several bites with that cheap bait, but if you are serious
ps regarding your spelling....are you advising me or giving advice?
4HP sorry about the length of this post, any spelling errors etc, but not for the content (or what I was trying to say anyway)...