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Old 19th Sep 2006, 13:21
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: uk
Posts: 5
Brain Fade: to tar all police as "lazy f*ckers" is appalling. There are over 120,000 police officers in the UK, many of whom put their lives on the line dealing with the most dangerous people in society. Every year there are officers who are killed in the line of duty, serving the public so lets not forget the extra-ordinary sacrifice that some ordinary men and women make.

And for what? Respect? Perks? Big salaries? Decent working conditions?
None of the above!!

No pay rise this year - 2.2% on offer - below the rate of inflation which amounts to a reduction in pay. Do not forget that the police do not have the right to take any industrial action such as work to rule or strike. The majority do it because they are committed to providing a good public service. They are not superhuman - they are just members of the public doing a tough job under pressure. Like any job, people make mistakes as a result of pressure. We don't need to have a chapter and verse debate on what consitutes pressure - but there aren't many jobs where being over firm with a violent offender could land you in clink!!

Not everyone speeds, however if a police officer gets convicted of an offence such as speeding, they not only get at least the same (if not greater) civil punishment, PLUS a disciplinary hearing from their force, often resulting in an additional fine. Double whammy!!

We don't live in a pick and mix society where we decide which laws to obey and which to break - speeding is an absolute offence whether Brain Fade likes it or not! If you want the speed limit increasing, lobby your MP, local councillors etc. But I would expect there to be a degree of opposition by the local road safety campaigners.

Police should only break the speed limit for operational neccessity -ie: blue lights / sirens on to facilitate a faster emergency response to the public. If they break the law they should be called upon to justify their actions and face the consequences just the same as any other member of society.

As for the accusation of sanctimonious hypocricy, that works both ways - you can't call for the PC who did 159 mph to be prosecuted and not expect to get fined yourself for doing 36 in a 30 zone; an offence is an offence after all.

This just demonstrates that there is not a "one law for one and one for the other" situation going on. If there is any doubt about this, use the powers under the freedom of information act to contact your local police and ask for figures relating to the amount of cops (a) issued a notice of intended prosecution for speeding, (b) how many were actually convicted at court, and (c) how many faced a subsequent internal disciplinary hearing with sanctions. You will have a response in 20 days and I suspect that the figures will show little variance.

Lets concentrate on the facts here and not be sucked into a media run moral-panic over how appalling the police are...

Yes the PC was convicted of speeding, but the lenient sanction imposed upon him was the decision of the independant judiciary, the foundation of the British judicial system.
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