Viking9, if you’ve been using the system for a decade, one would presume you’d know what. .you were doing with it by now . . . as far as I recall, ‘J’ meant find an airways route [and LA]. .meant use low airways. Not many of them between EMA-BHX and LHR-LGW last time I looked.. .What did you use to request the plan ? Mmmmm, thought so. I’d take Frankie Four Fingers advice and get yourself booked on a course . . .AirOpsOne, I wouldn’t bother with using ESRS, you’ve already been told so why do keep using it, dah ! We don’t and our ops get the plan in about 10 seconds. Enough of this c**p, I’m losing the will to live . . .