Originally Posted by
futr-kofeshop-dweler
Point is if we say 160, it's because that's what the guy ahead is doing, and tower is busy puckering their sphinxter to get a departure off in between. So if u could be so bothered please, feel free to use airbrakes, flaps, landing gear, parachutes, hands out of open windows, whatever slows u down, your choice, we're easy, but if u get too close to the guy ahead, you're going to go around, and not only you, but also add a couple of laps to your good friends doing gulf sightseeing tours at Desdi and Bubin
Can I ask if it wouldn't be too hard to give us an extra 1/2 mile on the downwind and then 170 instead of 160? Wouldn't that make both parties happy and accomplish the same goal?
As an Approach Controller in DXB, I usually finish my understaffed 9 hour midnight shift, and rush home to firstly compute minimum clean speeds for not only 777-300, but also IL76's, F50's and even the odd PA28, from any point within 20 miles of Dubai, all dependent on their weight of course. I then (this is before I get sleeping mind you)
I appreciate that you guys/girls work hard and do the best you can. Honestly I don't know if you are aware of the manuevering speeds of all aircraft or not. One of the purposes in starting this thread was to generate a discussion and help the situation. Not to mention venting the frustration of having to throw the gear out at 15 miles the previous night.
I'm hoping this thread can help both sides. Please be aware of some of our limitations and help us out when you can. If we say min clean speed is 227 then that means 187 and 167 will be a lot more acceptable to us than 180 and 160. Also this thread may make quite a few guys think twice before accepting a speed they don't intend to fly. That will make your life easier in the long run.
Typhoonpilot