Ok no problems. In which case Id agree, however, the managers probably dont really get the brunt of it, so for the managers to whinge at DfT theyd have to get a load of their security staff whinging at them... We will get fed up soon enough and start whinging no doubt, so maybe something will then be done :-). Maybe I'll raise the issue at work and see what sort of response I get. Probably shrugged shoulders but thats nothing new.