Just out of interest, what did you study at University? Was it aviation related, and if not what made you interested in working in an ops environment? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" /> Dont get me wrong...... It's a good vocation and I thoroughly enjoyed my last 6 years in operational roles (now working with asylum seekers!!!! - slightly different!). .There is a difference between ops and pre-ops.... however, i cant recal that exact difference (I remember Virgin had both departments).. .Good luck anyway <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />