as fas as im concerned, They have won by a long shot! and will continue winning for some time! every time i look down and see this stupid ASIC card around my neck when i fly, they have won, every time i strip almost naked to board a flight, they have won, now my partner is 8 months pregnant, i dread taking the baby on a flight anywhere, they have won! what kind of mentality are we fighting that will happily use an innocent baby to smuggle explosives on an aircraft or anywhere, in their fight to convert or kill all infidels? sadly they have no morality, and use our moral standings and hard earned freedoms against us.