Originally Posted by niknak
Guru,
This ones a no - brainer and I can't help thinking you are the one who is at fault!
....in which case you should have cancelled the clearance and only permited him to line up when the landing had passed the hold.
It may take up a little more R/T time but it's easier than explaining away the runway incursion for which you may have been mostly responsible.
Woah, niknak. This is NOT a no-brainer?! Well, actually, it is. But not in the way you are referring....
My main point in response is that I didnt actually say what I did after that. I merely gave you a section of the R/T as I remembered it. My actions were not what this thread is about. It is about saying 'after'. Yes, holding him and giving him a straight forward line-up is the next part of the system, and most definitely the safest.
Originally Posted by niknak
Clearly either the pilot didn't understand or was distracted by pre departure checks
Clearly thats irrelevant. He is number 1 at the hold and given a simple conditional line-up clearance. If he is busy, he should tell me to standby. If he didnt understand, then I have a suspiscion he would have said something different. Besides, this was a VERY regular operator and a/c type. They know the general running of the airport etc etc.
MY ORIGINAL POINT WAS... the missing out of the word 'after'. So even if he misunderstood, he makes no actual reference where he must line-up with respect to the lander. Even after I say it again (And my repetition did include clear emphasis on after!)
Originally Posted by bookworm
niknak makes the point well. I'm not excusing sloppiness on the part of pilots, and I appreciate that it's annoying and disruptive when pilots deliberately or negligently fail to readback clearances accurately. But that does not affect the correct ATC response to an incorrect readback.
Actually, niknak doesnt make the point well. In fact his response missed the point altogether, but that really is distracting from the original post.
Regardless of who everyone thinks MUST do what, Pilots
should be alert at the hold and we
should be there to make sure that it is readback correctly for whatever reason.
So, for the benefit of staying on topic... The point here is that the pilot didnt readback where he should line-up in reference to the lander. I repeated the instruction with emphasis on AFTER. He then repeated it, with (Possibly sarcastic?) emphasis on 'YES' and still missed out the key word in the clearance.