...and that MOR,is everything in a nutshell.....been there ,done that!!!..I believe some of you young fella,s need to go back through some of the posts on this thread and re-read them.......there is a lot of good info and well directed info.....some of you were still in "dads bags" or just out of them when MOR and I were working for a living.....dont take it personal,take it with a grain of salt,but dont disregard it....I personally think that the info that MOR and Raw data have portrayed to you is nothing more than an effort to educate you,...no cheap shots,no disrespect...but a genuine effort to help you understand the reality of aviation.....and if any of you feel KIWI is any different from the rest of the world,I,m afraid you are very mistaken......this does not detract from your concerns or your pro-active stance for NZ aviation...it is the total opposite...........open your minds boys,open your minds.....PB