DP:
Originally Posted by dublinpilot
I'm not sure you're reading the same thread as the rest of us. Seems only you & D refuse to acknowledge that what you are doing is equally increasing the risk.
dp
Funny old thing mate, this being on the Private Flying forum there are a fair few voices saying that, yes. What do you reckon would happen if it were on the Mil Aircrew forum?
Mike:
I have AT NO TIME said that a MATZ is CAS, what on earth has given you that idea? I fully understand the legal rights of other airspace users to use a MATZ. However, just as you wouldn't fly through an active danger area, I still think anyone flying through a MATZ without talking to ATC is committing a gross breach of airmanship. It is a requirement for military aircraft to operate in, what would seem to you at least, a very high energy fashion. You do not understand these operations in detail; you have no need to. But you do need to understand that if you operate near or in a MATZ, or indeed in a notified AIAA, you are very likely to encounter mil ac doing their thing, potentially ruining everyone's day. We at least have the luxury of explosive furniture, I am as much thinking of your safety as my own.
Once again to make sure I am understood - I am not saying that a MATZ is (or indeed should be, unlike the opinion of many of my colleagues) CAS, I fully understand other traffic will be operating there. A great many civil ac transit MATZs talking to ATC, I am more than happy to go out of my way to do the lion's share of the avoidance if so. Why can't everyone stick to the same basic standard of airmanship?
Many people are using this thread for their own personal attacks on military aviation, that is not what I wanted to do. If you feel the need, then by all means start a more clearly titled thread for doing so. The point here is a plea for all users of a MATZ to make ATC aware of their presence if at all possible.
Edited to echo and amplify Dim's thoughts:
Where else than a military airfield, notifed with a MATZ, would you have us practice mil procedures? Surely you don't want us to have to establish controlled airspace to give us 'total' (except for errant PPL holders bumbling into it) protection for our operations? I certainly would much rather it didn't come to that.