Gonzo, I wasn't blaming the College I was blaming the 'decision makers', they are the ones who need to be held to account. BTW when I did my cadetship, many many years ago I had a total of about 20/30 hours before going out on unit. I think the general training I had about ATC in general was far better than that the students are told now. They are taught to pass exams not to be controllers. BTW still not having a go at instructors but the 'system' in general.