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Old 17th July 2006 | 10:45
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captain_jeeves
 
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Originally Posted by popay
captain_jeeves the performance calculation is always based on the worst case scenario namely engine out at Vef its a requirement from the law maker JAR or FAA doesn't matter.


I know, my question "...performance information is based on the loss of an Engine..." was intended as rhetorical


Originally Posted by popay
When is single engine go around usually a problem? Well, if you come for the approach shortly after take off with one engine inop, correct? Because the aircraft is above max landing weight. Therefore you have to make sure that the go around performance is met.


Good enough, I just needed you to clarify the intent of your earlier statement.

Originally Posted by popay

The published missed approach is the preferable….

To follow the published missed approach, the following criteria must be met:
• Below maximum structural landing mass (187,000kg)
• Missed Approach Final altitude or MSA is lower than the maximum altitude specified in the following table.
• Published missed approach does not have a climb gradient greater than 2.5%
• There are no positional constraints. I.e. must reach altitude X by position Y.

The EOSID must be used whenever:
• Any one of the above criteria is not met.
• Whenever the commander has doubt about the aircraft's climb performance.

Exactly!

Remember what I said earlier (Sorry, I don't have a set of manuals close-by to quote from, so I shot from the hip on this).

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All of that said (Please read this carefully), it would seem - following a go-around - that if flying below 1500 feet AGL(All initial climb segments not completed, thus not into the enroute climb phase), AND,

a positive EO "Required" climb gradient is not achievable (see quote above!!!), AND/OR,

if below the MSA, MOCA or MORA (as applicable), AND/OR,

the EO "Required" climb gradient can not be achieved (again, see quote above!!!), AND,

the "EOSID" can gaurantee terrain separation, AND,

FOLLOWING THE ENGINE FAILURE you are able to fly that "EOSID" procedure, from the place where the engine failed , then the answer to this question would appear obvious.


Unless I've overlooked something, I haven't found anyone in this forum disputing this. However, I have heard some pilots on the line comment that it is not an acceptable procedure.





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