13snoopy, why such a down on MD, when Eurocopter produces a machine with 5 seats that if you put 5 people in is out of forward c of g and with any reasonable fuel load is over mauw. Oh yes the 3 rd fcu in 18 months with a bill of $ 40k for it ! Never had this problem with an MD product, at least it does what it says it does on the tin !