KERDUNKER - it was from a decent source at Farnborough, it'll have to remain at that though.. .Have heard some more over the past week, which reenforces that it was an assets only purchase. The administrators are at Farnborough until the end of the month, I'd guess that the prospect of a sale as a going concern is too far down the river now. A great pity, there were some great people at CFR (some of which have found other work, which is good), and they certainly didn't deserve the ignominious ending that came.. .. .INCIPIENT SPIN - give me some credit please. Having read all of your posts about PPSC and SFT I can't imagine you're right in the thick of things... Chinese Whispers aren't what keep every aspect of aviation going.