management may not be necessary or available, you must realise that some people are professional ground staff and have been sucking years of arse to get to the ground manager's possy. However when i was training i worked as a bag chucker for a major airline and so have many pilot's out there. its a good way to get to know the company and the industry and keeps you fit if you work hard at it. Try that - Virgin are prob the easiest to get into, i think they call them 'pit crew', and they seem to enjoy themselves.