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Old 25th Jun 2006, 12:28
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Schnowzer
 
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Chin,

Not true mate. In an Airbus, Vls clean is 1.23xVs and at 10k and 200 tons that would be 192kts. Green dot under those same conditions would be.......227kts.

Yep, Green Dot is just the Clean maneuvring speed and is set at 1.45Vs. So when you were flying around in the 'Ludmobile' at 1.3Vs you were actually .15 below Green Dot, so Green Dot is providing us with a 23kt buffer over your suggested limits, at the said conditions.

Vls is a different matter, it ensures 1.23Vs when clean but that drops to only 1.13Vs when you have flap out and are taking off. Your comments about power settings close to Vls are certainly appropriate on take off.

There is very little reason to fly too close to min speed, you trade margin and pax comfort (att) for just a little show off of knowledge of AOM's but lack of airmenship.
The bottom line is that it seems to be you are slamming a guy for flying below Green Dot but above Vls which is where you spent most of your career. Top tip, if you want to provide some sage advice about FBW aircraft, before you go wading in make sure you know what the speeds actually mean.

I have absolutely no problem with a guy flying below Green Dot as long as he doesn't need to maneuvre the aircraft significantly and stays well clear of Vls. Out of interest, on the approach with full flap selected we routinely decay the speed to Vls+5 with idle power selected and the protection afforded there is still more than 15% below the clean situation decried above.

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