Originally Posted by ezydriver
Number three - going away and gaining TP experience first does not exempt you from TRSS.
True for easy and some other operators, but there are operators out there who offer a better deal than TRSS when you have some two crew experience on something bigger than a piston twin. This would be a positive move for someone anti-TRSS or paying hugely inflated sums for type ratings and would help to hammer another nail into the TRSS coffin.
Everything you have said ezydriver makes complete sense and the younger/ less experienced guys queueing up should listen to those with experience who speak about how things 'really are', as opposed to the tripe that is pedalled about how fair it is for type rated to earn more than non-type rated, different entry salary levels based on previous experience and the company's ability to convince you it is a great offer, the difference between a bond and a loan and a loan that is called a bond with an attached reduced starting salary and any other means of clawing training costs back from employees.
Until people start to view these schemes for what they are (airline cost reduction schemes) and start to realize that it is fast approaching a time when the airlines aren't going to find the required numbers with any relevant experience, then they will continue to pay up and believe that there is no alternative.
Nick, I suggest you pay your £25k, get your jet job and be content with your lot. Don't post on here though in a year or two's time about how unfair it is that you had to pay in some old scheme called a TRSS and new joiners don't have too.
PP
ps Edited to add that under your reasoning Nick, someone with 5,000hrs experience on say a 757 should earn less than someone who joins with 500hrs on a 737? I wager the 5,000hr guy would be a better F/O all other things being equal. Your theory is a can of worms mate.