Chilli
Be interesting to know where.
Solent and Gatwick
Airport employs ATCO's, airlines pay airport, airport pays wages. If you don't provide the airlines with what they want they go elsewhere.
Yes, but the more this attitude prevails, the more resistant GA will become to more airspace grab, the more inclinded GA will be to routing around the zone without talking to anyone, and utlimately the more problems will arise as set out at the start of this thread. That is why a working partenership must be established.
That's total b*ll*cks and I prove that every day I go to work.
You are quite correct. On the whole, within the constraints they impose, the service is very good. In fact I have very few complaints BUT I worry the perception is changing.
Not true - transits can, and are given with equal priority being given to both aircraft.
That may be your experience at places like Bristol / Filton. Ask for a transit through occasional inbound traffic at Stansted or Luton and you will find the experience somewhat different. The problem areas are not th elikes of Bristol / Filton, but natural restriction points that seriosuly hinder the flow of traffic such as Gatwick, Luton, Stansted, Heathrow and to a lesser extent Southampton.
That's called prioritising - the first priority is often to the sequence you've got on the approach. Are you trying to tell me you would, in whatever your job is, walk away from the main priority in order to deal with something that isn't as pressing? If you do I suggest you wouldn't last long in your employment.
True. In fact I cannot recall the last time I have been refused a RIS around Gatwick for example. However I can recall a very recent refusal from Stansted in bad weather - despite gentle persuasion they were not in the slightest bit interest and not busy.
In short if you have not got enough staff to provide the service because your commercial workload has increased get some more staff. Your priority is to provide a consistant service to GA and commercial traffic. Strangely that means being able to cope with the rise and fall in demand.
Of course you have the advantage of pretty much knowing the times of your peak demand as well.
Again, total rot - the safest place for a transit is often straight through the overhead, and where I work they get approved more often than not.
Agreed
What's wrong with that? The transit hasn't been refused, you're just being told to wait for your clearance. It's become necessary because of the number of people who train in the US, who think that US rules apply, insofar that once you've established two way comms with an ATC unit you can transit with no formal clearance.
How long do your orbit? How long do you wait? I have little interest in waiting for as long as it would take me to route around the zone. Guess what I am going to do if the wait is too long? Strangely, I am not thrilled about doing five orbits while you have a cup of tea and I am literally hanging in suspense.
I'm sorry if someone's been held in the circuit. It's not my fault that Brussels has just changed the slot on a departure and I've got to get them away in the next 90 seconds otherwise they wait another hour and a half.
Not my fault either. I suspect if Brussels has screwed up down the line delays should be expected further on. It is sort of like saying if you get stuck in traffic congestion in London when you get to Bristol you get to barge everyone else out the way.
Last edited by Fuji Abound; 8th June 2006 at 17:59.